1 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:02,570 this is Ross coultart and you are 2 00:00:14,570 --> 00:00:12,709 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 3 00:00:16,369 --> 00:00:14,580 podcast my name is Andy and I'm 4 00:00:17,630 --> 00:00:16,379 delighted to finally be joined by a 5 00:00:20,210 --> 00:00:17,640 guest that I've wanted on the podcast 6 00:00:21,890 --> 00:00:20,220 for some time now among many of his 7 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:21,900 accomplishments he is a writer and 8 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:24,300 producer of many Fantastic TV series 9 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:27,000 including the wonderful Dark Skies he is 10 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:29,160 an author and now co-host with Ross 11 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:31,380 kiltat on excellent need to know podcast 12 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:33,780 I'd like to welcome Bryce Sable Bryce 13 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:36,059 welcome hey thanks Annie it's a pleasure 14 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:38,100 to be with you and and boy what 15 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:40,440 interesting times we are living in huh 16 00:00:44,990 --> 00:00:43,020 is absolutely wild and a bit hard to 17 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:45,000 keep up and my worry brace this is going 18 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:47,640 to go on Monday the 20th of February for 19 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:49,920 all the free platforms and I'm thinking 20 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:52,020 in the next four days we could have full 21 00:00:57,250 --> 00:00:54,239 disclosure UFOs on the White House lawn 22 00:01:00,770 --> 00:00:57,260 and everything that entails you know 23 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:00,780 we could I mean the thing is uh I 24 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:03,000 remember when Richard Dolan and I were 25 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:04,979 writing this book A.D after disclosure 26 00:01:08,990 --> 00:01:07,260 we would sit around well we basically 27 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:09,000 had a whole year where we asked 28 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:10,740 ourselves well what do you think might 29 00:01:14,810 --> 00:01:12,420 happen could this happen could that 30 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:14,820 happen let me tell you the idea that we 31 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:17,700 would shoot down four balloons or and or 32 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:21,540 UAP in a row three of them on successive 33 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:23,580 days that never came up in our 34 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:26,040 conversations that that was a surprise 35 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:27,960 and I think I think everybody in the 36 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:29,520 world's been a little surprised by it 37 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:33,360 it's just historic and weird and and the 38 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:35,460 fact that it went unacknowledged sort of 39 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:36,960 in a in a 40 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:40,020 you know a public transparent way uh for 41 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:42,299 even a little while was very strange 42 00:01:45,770 --> 00:01:44,340 well Bryce we'll we'll do this Topsy 43 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:45,780 Turvy from the way I've written it we'll 44 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:47,220 see if we get to some of the president's 45 00:01:50,990 --> 00:01:49,020 stuff just before we talk about modern 46 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:51,000 day let's briefly tell some of the 47 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:53,159 listeners who may be unfamiliar with 48 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:55,380 yourself what's your background and how 49 00:01:59,149 --> 00:01:56,820 have you come to the point you've been 50 00:02:01,910 --> 00:01:59,159 so involved now in the UFO topic for for 51 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:01,920 almost 30 years yeah well they pull you 52 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:04,860 in don't they uh listen I started as a 53 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:07,320 journalist I my my degree from the 54 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:09,300 University of Oregon is in broadcast uh 55 00:02:14,089 --> 00:02:12,420 journalism and I work in television as 56 00:02:15,410 --> 00:02:14,099 an anchor and a reporter for a number of 57 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:15,420 years including 58 00:02:19,610 --> 00:02:17,700 um CNN where I was a correspondent then 59 00:02:21,290 --> 00:02:19,620 I was an investigative reporter for a 60 00:02:24,589 --> 00:02:21,300 PBS show 61 00:02:26,809 --> 00:02:24,599 and um then because I was working in Los 62 00:02:28,369 --> 00:02:26,819 Angeles when that show got canceled I 63 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,379 was thinking well I guess I'm gonna have 64 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:30,720 to move I I guess I'll have to go get a 65 00:02:35,270 --> 00:02:32,700 gig somewhere else where they'll they'll 66 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:35,280 hire me and my wife I wasn't married at 67 00:02:38,570 --> 00:02:36,720 the time said well maybe you should try 68 00:02:41,449 --> 00:02:38,580 writing so 69 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:41,459 I tried writing a screenplay and it sold 70 00:02:45,229 --> 00:02:43,500 and they made 100 episodes of it up in 71 00:02:47,930 --> 00:02:45,239 Canada so I thought I will keep doing 72 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:47,940 this as long as they keep paying me and 73 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,340 here I am years later 74 00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:53,040 um the and and of course now I'm it's 75 00:02:59,509 --> 00:02:55,980 kind of strange because I've had all 76 00:03:02,449 --> 00:02:59,519 this television and film projects that 77 00:03:05,089 --> 00:03:02,459 are basically dramatic projects and now 78 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:05,099 suddenly I'm doing this need to know uh 79 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:07,800 broadcast with Ross coldheart which is 80 00:03:13,369 --> 00:03:10,140 basically journalism 81 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:13,379 um and so I you know the pendulum swings 82 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:15,900 here I am again and and I'm enjoying it 83 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:18,780 I I and I and you know what we live in a 84 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:20,400 time where you can do whatever you want 85 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:22,140 to do you don't have to follow you don't 86 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:23,760 have to say well this is the only path 87 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:27,120 so yeah I'm still working on uh all of 88 00:03:32,270 --> 00:03:29,040 my dramatic projects and some of them 89 00:03:34,670 --> 00:03:32,280 many of them are UFO related and I'm 90 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:34,680 enjoying them a lot but I I enjoy the 91 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:38,040 the kind of uh journalistic uh kick that 92 00:03:43,550 --> 00:03:40,560 you get uh by being live I mean Ross and 93 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:43,560 I did our our first live show last night 94 00:03:48,649 --> 00:03:46,799 yesterday and it was a little tense uh 95 00:03:51,229 --> 00:03:48,659 because you don't want to screw it up 96 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:51,239 technically you've got people waiting to 97 00:03:55,369 --> 00:03:52,860 hear from you but it went pretty much 98 00:03:57,530 --> 00:03:55,379 without too many hitches and uh may do 99 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:57,540 it again I there's just something about 100 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:00,540 when uh when I started in in 101 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:02,580 broadcasting I was an Anchorman well 102 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:04,440 that's all live I mean you can record 103 00:04:07,729 --> 00:04:06,239 things in the field and come and edit 104 00:04:10,190 --> 00:04:07,739 them but if you're the anchor in the 105 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:10,200 studio that's live TV baby you know and 106 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:13,560 you you got to be able to hold forth and 107 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:15,299 and and Ross of course has that same 108 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:17,220 background so we kind of enjoyed just 109 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:18,419 kicking it around we're a little 110 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:20,340 unstructured but we try to get all the 111 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:22,500 information and enjoy it so that's kind 112 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:24,540 of my background now oh but just to 113 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:26,820 throw in the a couple of the projects 114 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:29,160 the first thing I ever wrote uh on this 115 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:31,080 topic was called official denial and it 116 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:32,880 became the Sci-Fi Channel's first 117 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:34,800 original film and that was about an 118 00:04:41,629 --> 00:04:37,740 abductee and and frankly was a movie 119 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:41,639 about shooting down a UFO and um and 120 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:43,440 then the dark sky series you mentioned 121 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:45,180 the first episode 122 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:47,040 um or the second episode really was set 123 00:04:52,249 --> 00:04:49,020 at Roswell and it was about shooting 124 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:52,259 down the Roswell UFO so I I the idea 125 00:04:56,090 --> 00:04:54,240 that the government and the military 126 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:56,100 might try to bring one of them down is 127 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:57,660 something I've been thinking about for 128 00:05:03,050 --> 00:04:59,880 as you mentioned a long time 129 00:05:05,090 --> 00:05:03,060 what's kept your interest so strong and 130 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:05,100 your UFO connection because you've 131 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:07,440 you've got a storied past in news 132 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:10,560 journalism and then television and the 133 00:05:15,230 --> 00:05:12,660 stigma in the UFO topic must be massive 134 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:15,240 even in those Industries still oh what's 135 00:05:21,230 --> 00:05:18,000 what's kept you so so involved well 136 00:05:23,689 --> 00:05:21,240 there is stigma uh and and the the thing 137 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:23,699 I always say to people is when I began 138 00:05:27,469 --> 00:05:25,740 getting interested in this I was uh in 139 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,479 my friends and family always treated me 140 00:05:32,029 --> 00:05:29,280 like the drunk uncle at the wedding it's 141 00:05:35,689 --> 00:05:32,039 like don't talk to you about UFOs to 142 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:35,699 Bryce he'll go and uh that part I think 143 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:37,320 is largely gone 144 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:39,360 um I do find though that there are a lot 145 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:40,680 of people that just don't want to talk 146 00:05:45,770 --> 00:05:42,960 about it it makes them uncomfortable my 147 00:05:48,050 --> 00:05:45,780 family my wife my my kids they all 148 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:48,060 believe that this is a true and and 149 00:05:52,249 --> 00:05:50,460 authentic phenomena they just don't want 150 00:05:54,430 --> 00:05:52,259 to talk about it it makes them 151 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:54,440 uncomfortable and I find that's that's 152 00:06:00,529 --> 00:05:57,600 common but you know to go to your 153 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:00,539 question what's kept me in it what got 154 00:06:05,749 --> 00:06:03,479 me in it it's a giant mystery if if uh 155 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:05,759 20 years ago the mystery had been solved 156 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:07,320 I probably wouldn't be doing it right 157 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:10,740 now but the mystery just keeps deepening 158 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:13,440 the more I read the more questions I 159 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:15,780 have the more people I talk to the more 160 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:18,000 I need to call up somebody else and I've 161 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,280 been trying uh for literally 30 years 162 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:22,500 now trying to get my arms around this 163 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:24,060 thing and understand it I mean one of 164 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:27,300 the things that my co-creator Brent 165 00:06:32,210 --> 00:06:29,340 Friedman and I did on Dark Skies was we 166 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:32,220 tried to be the unified field theory if 167 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:33,840 you will of you followed you we were 168 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:35,460 saying how can all this stuff be 169 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:37,919 reconciled uh how can there be crop 170 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:41,280 circles and animal mutilations and and 171 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:43,740 you know and now these days how can we 172 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:47,600 have uh hitchhikers and Skin Walkers and 173 00:06:53,150 --> 00:06:50,220 what is going on 174 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:53,160 um I know enough now to be dangerous in 175 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,780 speculation but I don't know the truth 176 00:06:58,909 --> 00:06:57,240 and I don't think very many people do 177 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:58,919 well let's look at the last couple of 178 00:07:03,469 --> 00:07:00,960 weeks in to bring things up today 179 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:03,479 um I doubt many people listening by now 180 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,280 would know what's been going on it's 181 00:07:09,710 --> 00:07:07,199 made international news and that's not 182 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:09,720 me overstating it it has a Chinese Bible 183 00:07:13,309 --> 00:07:11,580 and was downed and then there are 184 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:13,319 reports that three other objects were 185 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:16,020 shot down auditly shot at of various 186 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:18,479 shapes and sizes first off why do you 187 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:20,340 think Bryce this has played out so 188 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:21,720 publicly 189 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:25,080 that is I actually Annie that is one of 190 00:07:29,689 --> 00:07:27,960 the greatest questions because uh you 191 00:07:31,969 --> 00:07:29,699 could imagine that this might have 192 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:31,979 happened before but the the government 193 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:34,560 or the military might have thought well 194 00:07:38,749 --> 00:07:36,120 there's no reason anyone needs to know 195 00:07:40,969 --> 00:07:38,759 about this so we'll it's it's classified 196 00:07:43,610 --> 00:07:40,979 so you're right what is so different 197 00:07:45,650 --> 00:07:43,620 about this one I think it is clearly one 198 00:07:48,589 --> 00:07:45,660 of the 199 00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:48,599 first shoot Downs if not if not the 200 00:07:53,809 --> 00:07:50,819 shoot downs but the fact that they came 201 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:53,819 day after day with no warning 202 00:07:59,210 --> 00:07:57,000 why uh why so public 203 00:08:01,610 --> 00:07:59,220 I haven't figured that one out yet I I 204 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:01,620 could you know we can speculate I'm not 205 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:04,620 really sure and I know uh as you said uh 206 00:08:10,189 --> 00:08:06,780 this show made air a little later than 207 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:10,199 we're recording it uh as we recorded uh 208 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:12,000 President Biden is scheduled to speak 209 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:15,479 about it today I'm not overly optimistic 210 00:08:19,730 --> 00:08:17,520 that he's going to lay out anything that 211 00:08:21,529 --> 00:08:19,740 we don't know already I think he will 212 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:21,539 pretty well lay out the the government 213 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:24,060 line and um 214 00:08:29,570 --> 00:08:27,120 and and I I wish it was more I wish that 215 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:29,580 he would use that opportunity the focus 216 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:32,760 people have right now on the UAP issue 217 00:08:37,730 --> 00:08:35,580 and instead of saying yeah well it was 218 00:08:39,709 --> 00:08:37,740 Chinese and and other surveillance 219 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,719 platforms and nothing to see here let's 220 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,700 all just move on and know that we're 221 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:43,740 working on it I mean this is an 222 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:46,380 opportunity to expand uh the the 223 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:49,560 dialogue I mean clearly UAP is not 224 00:08:55,370 --> 00:08:52,860 limited to Chinese balloons it is uh 225 00:08:59,389 --> 00:08:55,380 something that's been going on for a 226 00:09:03,470 --> 00:08:59,399 long long time and in modern times uh in 227 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:03,480 great numbers since the 1940s so yeah 228 00:09:06,970 --> 00:09:05,940 why would they shoot these things down 229 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:06,980 now 230 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:13,260 ascribe a sort of a conspiratorial 231 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:15,120 theory to it well they're doing it 232 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:16,920 because they're trying to shift it or 233 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:18,720 any any of those kind of descriptions 234 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:21,600 you also have to say they did it because 235 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:23,459 it was just dumb luck the way it went 236 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:25,740 down that that they shot down that 237 00:09:30,889 --> 00:09:28,740 Chinese balloon first and then because 238 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:30,899 the administration took some heat for 239 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:33,600 not shooting it down earlier 240 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,940 somebody said well there's a lot of 241 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:37,440 these things out there let's let's shoot 242 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:39,060 a few of them down and show people how 243 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:41,820 tough we are I don't know I'm curious 244 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:44,100 what is your take what do you think 245 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:46,320 I think if it hadn't been caught on 246 00:09:50,630 --> 00:09:48,180 camera by members of the public that 247 00:09:52,430 --> 00:09:50,640 that balloon on the camera phones uh I 248 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:52,440 don't think this story necessarily comes 249 00:09:58,750 --> 00:09:55,200 out because it was something they then 250 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:58,760 had to address and I don't know I think 251 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:01,620 if that had happened in the UK I don't 252 00:10:04,130 --> 00:10:03,300 think it plays out at all that way at 253 00:10:07,370 --> 00:10:04,140 all 254 00:10:09,470 --> 00:10:07,380 um I think because it's the US and it's 255 00:10:11,570 --> 00:10:09,480 very American that you know even I I 256 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:11,580 remember in in college I done a 257 00:10:16,009 --> 00:10:13,980 journalism course and one of my 258 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:16,019 presentations was about how the American 259 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,140 Media dramatized war and I used to play 260 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:21,839 Clips comparing how the BBC would report 261 00:10:26,690 --> 00:10:23,820 on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan 262 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:26,700 compared to how Fox and CNN and it was 263 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:29,880 almost like a show you know it was it 264 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:31,980 was Grand it was grandized and it was 265 00:10:35,810 --> 00:10:33,060 huge and it looked like there was 266 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:35,820 Fanfare around these these events and I 267 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:37,140 think it's just something that made the 268 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:38,700 mainstream media in the US has picked up 269 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:41,040 on and and they've ran with it but what 270 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:42,480 I wondered is they've used a lot of 271 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:44,279 interesting language we've heard ET 272 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:47,100 mentioned at one point you know jokingly 273 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:48,180 or not 274 00:10:54,290 --> 00:10:51,600 um as this is simple though as as for an 275 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,300 adversarial technology it's Chinese or 276 00:10:58,610 --> 00:10:56,880 another state actor right or is there a 277 00:11:01,250 --> 00:10:58,620 potential that in amongst all of this 278 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:01,260 there is at least some part of it that 279 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:04,260 is that other non-human aspect 280 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:06,420 potentially 281 00:11:11,449 --> 00:11:09,300 I I think 282 00:11:15,650 --> 00:11:11,459 I think that is the the rest of the 283 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:15,660 story I I you know people want to say uh 284 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:18,720 jump to extraterrestrial or alien I I 285 00:11:23,690 --> 00:11:21,240 don't jump there yet because 286 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:23,700 I don't really know I have some theories 287 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:25,740 I have you have theories your listeners 288 00:11:29,870 --> 00:11:27,540 have theories 289 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:29,880 um I just don't think that all of them 290 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:33,300 can be explained the easy way and that 291 00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:34,620 some of them 292 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:36,480 um that have been flying around are 293 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:39,000 being flown about by somebody who's not 294 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:40,200 us 295 00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:43,880 um from some place that isn't here and 296 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:47,040 what the specifics of that are I'm very 297 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:48,899 interested in knowing and particularly 298 00:11:54,889 --> 00:11:52,680 since the move in um in DC these days is 299 00:11:57,530 --> 00:11:54,899 to bring in whistleblowers 300 00:12:00,470 --> 00:11:57,540 um to talk in classified hearings about 301 00:12:02,150 --> 00:12:00,480 Legacy programs I guess my only thing is 302 00:12:03,710 --> 00:12:02,160 okay let's get that phase over with 303 00:12:05,569 --> 00:12:03,720 because it's time to get to some public 304 00:12:09,050 --> 00:12:05,579 hearings or at least some public 305 00:12:11,210 --> 00:12:09,060 admissions about what what what programs 306 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:11,220 have existed and in fact I mean let's 307 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:13,680 face it if anybody were to admit there's 308 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:15,600 a legacy program out there that dealt 309 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:17,940 with a UFO crash wreckage that's almost 310 00:12:22,069 --> 00:12:20,220 game over in the disclosure game I mean 311 00:12:24,889 --> 00:12:22,079 once once you admit it's something like 312 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:24,899 that then you're into a new world and I 313 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:26,760 keep thinking we are close to that world 314 00:12:30,290 --> 00:12:27,839 now 315 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:30,300 there are people out there who think and 316 00:12:33,769 --> 00:12:31,740 I don't think it's too unfair at the 317 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:33,779 moment that this is one of those slow 318 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:36,360 drips toward that disclosure with the 319 00:12:40,670 --> 00:12:39,000 capital D and thinking of someone like 320 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:40,680 yourself who's written many a screenplay 321 00:12:44,629 --> 00:12:42,720 this plays out like the start of an 322 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:44,639 independence day or what of the worlds 323 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:46,620 where the US government are encountering 324 00:12:50,629 --> 00:12:48,779 objects in the sky oh it's a balloon oh 325 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:50,639 it's a foreign drone but then all of a 326 00:12:54,829 --> 00:12:52,980 sudden ah one of them isn't and China 327 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:54,839 comes out and denies it Russia comes out 328 00:12:58,670 --> 00:12:57,000 and denies it and the next thing Russia 329 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:58,680 shut them down China shutting them down 330 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:00,000 and then we get the you know the full 331 00:13:02,509 --> 00:13:01,680 scale Invasion as Hollywood would make 332 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:02,519 it out 333 00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:04,860 do you think there's anything like that 334 00:13:08,810 --> 00:13:06,600 to this situation that it's been 335 00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:08,820 engineered in a way for that to happen 336 00:13:14,389 --> 00:13:10,920 or is that at the minute too much of a 337 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:14,399 stretch well I I don't think we have the 338 00:13:19,009 --> 00:13:16,800 the evidence to support it but we don't 339 00:13:19,850 --> 00:13:19,019 have the evidence to say it's not true I 340 00:13:22,370 --> 00:13:19,860 mean 341 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:22,380 there tends to be reasons for things and 342 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,000 if this thing happened the way it did 343 00:13:28,430 --> 00:13:27,120 then potentially there's uh there's some 344 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:28,440 possibilities that we should be talking 345 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,360 about but you're right it's a Hollywood 346 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:32,399 dramatist I look at what just happened 347 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:34,740 and I'm like okay this is good let's get 348 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:36,540 to work because like I'll give you an 349 00:13:41,329 --> 00:13:38,880 example what is the thing that they've 350 00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:41,339 talked about the most in this thing it's 351 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,399 a safety of flight issue yeah right 352 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:46,560 that's what the hook has been it's like 353 00:13:50,449 --> 00:13:48,660 okay we're going to pay attention to 354 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:50,459 this because they were flying too low 355 00:13:54,350 --> 00:13:52,380 they were flying at forty thousand feet 356 00:13:56,449 --> 00:13:54,360 these other objects or twenty thousand 357 00:13:58,490 --> 00:13:56,459 feet and so therefore 358 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,500 um it's a flight safety issue we have to 359 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:00,959 look into it so I kind of ran with that 360 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:03,720 I have a podcast scripted podcast not 361 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,820 the need to know podcast but I've been 362 00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:07,920 hired to write a scripted podcast and 363 00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:10,200 it's called undeniable and it literally 364 00:14:17,329 --> 00:14:13,980 is about a a mid-air collision between a 365 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:17,339 UAP and a commercial jet and uh and it's 366 00:14:22,009 --> 00:14:19,560 told through the news and it's it's 367 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:22,019 pretty riveting and exciting I think 368 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:24,300 people will like it but 369 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:26,760 what's interesting about it is it's not 370 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,380 too far from those headlines that you 371 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:30,480 were talking about once once you admit 372 00:14:34,190 --> 00:14:32,339 something is a safety a flight issue 373 00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:34,200 well then it's not a big stretch for the 374 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,200 dramatists to say okay well let's crash 375 00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:38,880 a couple of them let's see what happens 376 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:41,699 so yeah it's uh some of this is a field 377 00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:44,940 day for for dramatists but 378 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,279 um I think in the end we may soon find 379 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:49,920 out uh well I don't know how soon but we 380 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:52,440 will ultimately find out that the truth 381 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:54,420 was probably Stranger Than the fiction 382 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,760 that we've been creating and that may 383 00:15:01,129 --> 00:14:58,560 explain uh 384 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,139 80 years of secrecy 385 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:03,600 well as we're still waiting on President 386 00:15:07,250 --> 00:15:05,940 Biden making that statement and I I 387 00:15:09,009 --> 00:15:07,260 agree with you I think it's going to 388 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,019 heavily focus on National Security 389 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,420 Aviation safety I don't think I'd expect 390 00:15:17,389 --> 00:15:14,160 to hear anything about non-humans 391 00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,399 entities or or aliens or UFOs unless 392 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:18,959 it's been said with a smuck and I don't 393 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:21,300 think that's ever been Biden's way when 394 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:22,800 I haven't whenever I have seen a talk 395 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,120 anyway 396 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:26,639 um but do you think this could be an 397 00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:29,279 address that if the media who are 398 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:31,380 present get the opportunity to ask 399 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:34,260 questions or follow up these sorts of 400 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:36,660 addresses could become more and more the 401 00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:38,880 norm but we do get the opportunity here 402 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:41,519 to hear generals and presidents talk 403 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:43,560 about the UFO issue in a serious way 404 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,300 because we're still hearing that 405 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:47,040 background laughter track at times on 406 00:15:53,449 --> 00:15:51,240 this yeah I honestly I felt like we took 407 00:15:57,230 --> 00:15:53,459 a step backward as I sat and watched the 408 00:15:59,870 --> 00:15:57,240 news over the last week or 10 days uh I 409 00:16:02,030 --> 00:15:59,880 was hoping for more I was hoping that 410 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:02,040 most reporters who would be able to put 411 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,620 one and one together and get two the the 412 00:16:09,949 --> 00:16:07,380 first one is okay reports are coming 413 00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:09,959 about out about UAP and the government 414 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,899 has submitted they're real and uh they 415 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:14,639 have performance characteristics that 416 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:16,560 don't seem to make sense uh by 417 00:16:20,509 --> 00:16:18,540 conventional aircraft so that's one and 418 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:20,519 then the other is okay now we've got 419 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:22,380 some out there that we're tracking and 420 00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:24,180 we're shooting some of them down you 421 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:25,680 would think that the reporters would 422 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:28,620 contextualize that and say well these 423 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:33,240 may not be the the uh anomalous craft uh 424 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:35,760 maybe they are surveillance platforms 425 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:37,500 but 426 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:42,540 to do that I I agree with you I still 427 00:16:48,769 --> 00:16:46,620 heard people smile and Snicker and and 428 00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:48,779 um you know I'm saying that I I wrote 429 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:50,579 something down I guess I don't have it 430 00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:52,980 here on my desk let me just see 431 00:16:56,449 --> 00:16:54,300 um 432 00:16:59,569 --> 00:16:56,459 can't find it but I watched a lot of 433 00:17:02,090 --> 00:16:59,579 stuff where I just thought you know you 434 00:17:06,829 --> 00:17:02,100 have an opportunity with your platform 435 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:06,839 whether you're a CNN anchor or or a 436 00:17:11,929 --> 00:17:09,720 field reporter to contextualize this and 437 00:17:14,169 --> 00:17:11,939 and people didn't they still fell back 438 00:17:17,929 --> 00:17:14,179 on if I'm going to mention 439 00:17:20,929 --> 00:17:17,939 UFOs I'm talking about tinfoil hats and 440 00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:20,939 Little Green Men and I'm using phrases 441 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:25,140 like UFO buff or UFO Enthusiast and I'm 442 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:27,540 just so sick to death of that these 443 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,020 stereotypes weren't good weren't valid 444 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:32,880 when they were first being trotted out 445 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:36,240 in the 50s and 60s and Believe Me Andy I 446 00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:37,500 don't think they've gotten better with 447 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:40,679 age and I so yeah I was rather 448 00:17:45,409 --> 00:17:43,380 disappointed because we'd been moving in 449 00:17:48,169 --> 00:17:45,419 a direction when people talked about UAP 450 00:17:50,090 --> 00:17:48,179 they were actually taking it seriously 451 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:50,100 and talking about the unknowns and then 452 00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,720 suddenly during the coverage of this 453 00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:53,700 event it went from well we're not really 454 00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:55,020 talking about the unknowns these are 455 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,820 easy to know we got a Chinese balloon 456 00:18:01,549 --> 00:17:58,980 and the others they're easy to know so I 457 00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:01,559 guess the the whole UAP issue has been 458 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:03,900 overblown and and doesn't really we've 459 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:05,940 identified all of them to hear a lot of 460 00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:08,220 reporters and anchors talk about it they 461 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:10,980 acted like if we could identify these 462 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:14,820 four shoot down objects then the problem 463 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:17,340 was solved and there there weren't and 464 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:19,320 the the government report was says well 465 00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:20,820 they haven't identified them all but 466 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,900 they will 467 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:23,280 and I didn't 468 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:25,320 no I agree in the last couple of years 469 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,780 as as the conversation like you say has 470 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,280 become more serious and we've seen 471 00:18:33,890 --> 00:18:31,200 journalists asking some really pertinent 472 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,900 questions around the UFO reports the UAP 473 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:36,480 report and just actually raising an 474 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:37,980 eyebrow and saying is there something to 475 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:40,380 this that's still been relatively small 476 00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:43,620 scale it's not become national news and 477 00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:45,179 not been an international Focus like 478 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:46,620 we've had and I've tried to say to 479 00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:48,780 people online including a number of you 480 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:51,720 know UFO influencers not to get too 481 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,580 excited that oh this means disclosure is 482 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:54,960 coming because a journalist asked a 483 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:56,760 question at a White House Press briefing 484 00:19:02,690 --> 00:18:58,860 because what we've seen now like you say 485 00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:02,700 is a truly International UFO incident as 486 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,220 best we've had right and we've reverted 487 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:07,200 back to there's your large-scale press 488 00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:09,419 presence yes and they're laughing about 489 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:12,299 it and and even in the UK we have picked 490 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:13,740 up on the story which never really 491 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:15,240 happens in the last couple of years with 492 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,120 the UFO task force reports and it's 493 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,640 largely being mocked again and laughed 494 00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:23,280 at I agree with you but I will say I see 495 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:26,520 a reason for optimism not because I 496 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:28,200 believe Human Nature has changed and 497 00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:29,460 people are going to do the right thing 498 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,220 but here's my reason for optimism 499 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:35,520 if you if you just sort of take aside 500 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:37,620 the silly news coverage and subtract 501 00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:41,100 that and go deeper you do see a number 502 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:44,039 of Senators and congressmen and women in 503 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:47,160 in the U.S saying this is not good it's 504 00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,620 not acceptable that we didn't know what 505 00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:51,840 these things were and that we shot them 506 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,400 down and we don't know what the rules 507 00:19:58,130 --> 00:19:55,919 are and we need answers you hear that 508 00:20:00,110 --> 00:19:58,140 refrain over and over and over now what 509 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:00,120 most of them are talking about is you 510 00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:01,440 know I want to know what the Chinese are 511 00:20:04,669 --> 00:20:03,000 up to I want to know if the Russians are 512 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:04,679 sending these I want to know if other 513 00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,840 state actors are doing it that's fine 514 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:08,880 but they're talking about commissions 515 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:12,840 and committees and hearings and here's 516 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:15,419 how I look at this you can start a 517 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:17,820 hearing and say this is a hearing to get 518 00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,740 to the bottom of the UAP issue and 519 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,120 you're going to start talking to people 520 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:23,520 about Chinese balloons 521 00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:25,320 and then you're going to ask other 522 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:27,240 questions and you're going to pull out 523 00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:29,220 that UAP report that the government put 524 00:20:33,409 --> 00:20:30,900 out and you're going to say well wait a 525 00:20:36,590 --> 00:20:33,419 minute if there were if there's still 526 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:36,600 300 unidentified ones of the ones that 527 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:38,100 you were looking at 528 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,260 do you think they're all balloons and 529 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:42,000 the answer would be no well then what do 530 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,100 you think they are well they're unknown 531 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:46,380 I got to tell you I think there's the 532 00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:50,580 possibility for any uh commission and or 533 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:52,860 committee to sort of spiral toward the 534 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:55,320 truth you start kicking over one rock 535 00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,240 after another let's kick over that China 536 00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:59,039 Rock let's kick over that Russia Rock 537 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:01,260 and then you get those rocks kicked over 538 00:21:06,529 --> 00:21:04,340 and you say well what does that leave 539 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:06,539 you are going to ask some uncomfortable 540 00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:08,700 questions and remember there's already 541 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,460 people in Congress that 542 00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:13,760 even though they don't talk about it 543 00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:18,179 often you know that they know the 544 00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:21,059 anomalous sightings have a very real 545 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:22,860 possibility of turning out to be 546 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:25,740 non-human I mean you've heard it in the 547 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:27,960 statements made by people from Marco 548 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:31,140 Rubio to Mitt Romney to uh Kirsten 549 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,200 gillibrand uh you you hear and you know 550 00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,960 what they're thinking and also uh on on 551 00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,600 our need to know show Ross coltard and I 552 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,159 have been contacted by a number of 553 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,240 sources who 554 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,220 are I guess they were a little befuddled 555 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,200 by this whole shooting down you know to 556 00:21:54,169 --> 00:21:51,840 hear them tell it we we would say well 557 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:54,179 what do you think is going on and and 558 00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,820 normally an Insider Source would say 559 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:58,799 well this is what's going on but you 560 00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:00,360 won't hear that from me and you won't 561 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:02,460 hear that from anybody else but a lot of 562 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,720 the people we talked to when this 563 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:06,000 started were saying things like I don't 564 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:07,860 know I don't know what they're doing 565 00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:12,960 here I don't get it and um and so we 566 00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,000 have entered into a new phase that's all 567 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:16,559 I can tell and and when the history 568 00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:18,780 books there will be history books 569 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:21,780 written about UFOs that are serious and 570 00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:24,360 sober accounts and those history books 571 00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,100 are going to have a chapter about the 572 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:28,980 days that we're living in and uh and we 573 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,260 may be closer to the end game than we've 574 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,880 ever been before 575 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:34,740 but you've mentioned the need to know 576 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:37,020 podcast you done yesterday as we record 577 00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,580 this the 15th of February it was your 578 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,980 first live with yourself and Ross Ross 579 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,419 mentioned that there's a real disconnect 580 00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,280 between the Air Force and the White 581 00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:46,380 House on this topic and subject and I 582 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,120 don't think that will shock many 583 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,640 who holds the cards here when it comes 584 00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:52,799 to the UFO discussion in the U.S 585 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:54,840 government 586 00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:57,419 well that is to be determined isn't it I 587 00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,740 think uh the president of the United 588 00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,419 States is finding himself in the middle 589 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,640 of that little tug of war as well just 590 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,039 to bring your um listeners and viewers 591 00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:06,960 up to speed here 592 00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:10,679 um it has been historic that the Air 593 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,500 Force was sort of in the early days of 594 00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:15,720 this the historical perspective was well 595 00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:17,400 these things are flying around in the 596 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,380 sky I guess we should call the Air Force 597 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:21,360 in and that's what got you Project Blue 598 00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,340 Book and and all the other ones project 599 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:25,919 sign project Grudge and and uh the those 600 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,020 were Air Force investigations but 601 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,200 remember one thing if you study your UFO 602 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,080 history you'll find that even while all 603 00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480 these sightings in the air were being 604 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:39,120 reported there was always a constant 605 00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:40,740 undercurrent 606 00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:45,780 from the sea where where there were 607 00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,500 sightings in the sea and so the Navy was 608 00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,020 always interested in it uh they just 609 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,299 didn't get the starring role when we did 610 00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:56,400 Dark Skies uh one of the things that 611 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:58,620 Brent Friedman and I did is we had 612 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,620 Majestic 12 as as kind of the backdrop 613 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:03,600 to the whole thing and that's a whole 614 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,880 nother discussion but the person we put 615 00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,100 in charge was someone who was from The 616 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,679 Office of Naval intelligence and uh so 617 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,600 we didn't put an Air Force off officer 618 00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:15,000 in now where are we right now we're in a 619 00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:16,760 situation where 620 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,559 uh don't just take my word for it Chris 621 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:22,320 mellon's written about this extensively 622 00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:23,100 um 623 00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:24,480 but 624 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:27,780 the Air Force was not helpful as they 625 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:29,820 should have been in the preparation of 626 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,760 those reports and the Navy was I mean 627 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:35,039 clearly you have a division of some kind 628 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:37,980 going on where people in the Air Force 629 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,260 would rather we just keep all this 630 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,480 buttoned up and let's not let's not go 631 00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,760 crazy here and people in the Navy seem 632 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,799 almost a little fed up because their 633 00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,140 pilots are encountering this stuff and 634 00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:51,659 they'd like answers so 635 00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:54,360 um what Ross was saying on the show is 636 00:25:03,529 --> 00:24:59,100 that we have developed a source who has 637 00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:03,539 told us that a high-level officer in the 638 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,539 Navy has literally gone to the White 639 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,000 House to say that the Air Force is lying 640 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,220 to you about what's going on 641 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,320 and if 642 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:16,260 if that bears fruit and turns out to be 643 00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,500 true and we think it is then that means 644 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:22,020 that this issue has escalated Beyond 645 00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,880 just something you and I Andy might talk 646 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,039 about and and kick around with our 647 00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:28,620 friends at a party and is now something 648 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,980 that because Congress is interested we 649 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,320 passed that whistleblower legislation 650 00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,360 with the new National Defense 651 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:38,460 authorization Act 652 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,820 there are a lot of moving pieces and I 653 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679 guess the only way I could sell say it 654 00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,080 is some of them are rein are re 655 00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,120 reinforcing 656 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,700 behavior and taking away from Behavior 657 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,520 the whole way that this has been dealt 658 00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:55,320 with over the years appears to be 659 00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,640 changing and and yes uh the essence of 660 00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:01,320 your question is do we have a division 661 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,779 it looks like we do 662 00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:05,520 um and let's face it what's something 663 00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,740 that Washington could do that could 664 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,120 happen in Washington right now that 665 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,580 would change the game immediately leaks 666 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:13,860 I mean you know Ross and I are 667 00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,679 journalists we leaks are how you find 668 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,679 things uh people uh who want the truth 669 00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,400 out 670 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:22,440 talk to journalists and journalists 671 00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,020 print it and then people react to it so 672 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:27,539 I think we are also getting to the place 673 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,500 where 674 00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,140 the idea that there's a a kind of a 675 00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,299 conflict between the Air Force and the 676 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:35,159 Navy which has historically as we said 677 00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,860 existed a long time now may be coming 678 00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:39,779 into the open because the the 679 00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,179 Congressional committee people seem to 680 00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:43,679 be saying we want to look into these 681 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:45,900 Legacy programs and by Legacy programs 682 00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:49,020 they mean programs designed to reverse 683 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,779 engineering captured craft so you know 684 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,460 all I can say to your listeners and 685 00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,440 viewers fasten your seat belts folks 686 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,419 it's about to get crazy 687 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,000 interesting you mentioned that the leaks 688 00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,440 you know the potential for that and I 689 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,960 wonder if this was a family if you'd the 690 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,700 the bastard headed the bastard 691 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,980 ginger-headed stepchild even of the the 692 00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,200 family would be Arrow which is the 693 00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:11,820 office that was set up to investigate 694 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,460 all of this and it's incredible how how 695 00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:16,440 little they're being mentioned within 696 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,120 all of this over the last week or so and 697 00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:20,220 I wonder is this not their opportunity 698 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,740 to take charge and get a piece of 699 00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:25,620 footage or a photograph out to say okay 700 00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:27,559 all this is going on and there may be 701 00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,299 surveillance spy Tech secret Tech that 702 00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,159 we can't talk about and all that kind of 703 00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,740 stuff however there are things that we 704 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:36,299 don't know what they truly are and 705 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,340 appear to be anomalous and here's 706 00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,200 something and Akin to the gimbal footage 707 00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:42,120 for example right or the extended 708 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,740 version of the gimbal footage that we 709 00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,200 know is out there to then wrestle back 710 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:48,000 control of this a little bit and stamp 711 00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:49,200 some Authority 712 00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,460 well again there if I look at the China 713 00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,860 situation and the 714 00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:57,779 it's not all China we don't we don't 715 00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:00,539 know but the four shootdowns I look at 716 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,059 that uh I guess the phrase I I don't 717 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,220 know if I've coined it but I this is how 718 00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,320 I see it it's like the gateway drug to 719 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:10,320 disclosure all right because what is 720 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,260 happening is they're not all Chinese 721 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,120 drones and they certainly aren't all 722 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:17,039 Chinese drones going back to the 40s 723 00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,260 right I mean I don't think China had an 724 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:21,419 Air Force in the 40s so they certainly 725 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:23,640 didn't have drones flying around and and 726 00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,940 you know these so uh I almost forgot 727 00:28:34,269 --> 00:28:28,679 what the question was the question is 728 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:34,279 what that can Otto take advantage here 729 00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,470 harder to say but actually they by 730 00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:47,340 naming the organization Arrow it's at 731 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:48,840 least easier to say that than the 732 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:51,480 previous name aimsog so I look at Arrow 733 00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,100 as an improvement 734 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,080 I am a little 735 00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,360 uh 736 00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:00,419 shocked that Arrow which was set up 737 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,539 specifically for all domain anomaly 738 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:05,760 resolution office why weren't they 739 00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,580 heavily involved in what just happened 740 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,559 in the last week aren't those anomalies 741 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:13,679 that need resolution I mean so by 742 00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:14,760 definition they should have been 743 00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,159 involved and I think the answer is 744 00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,380 they have hardly anybody hired there yet 745 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:21,840 so they didn't have the ability to but 746 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,200 that's what Arrow should do and if Biden 747 00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:26,880 said anything I wish he would just say 748 00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:30,539 you know we've created Congress has has 749 00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:32,460 asked for the creation of the arrow 750 00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,940 office I've signed it into law and uh I 751 00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,200 think we need to make sure they're 752 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799 funded and we need to to get answers 753 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,960 um I tend to believe 754 00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,299 um Kamala Harris was on the Senate Intel 755 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,399 committee and Biden was I believe a 756 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,140 member of the gang of eight uh in 757 00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,840 security for years these people know 758 00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,480 what's going on in the UAP and UFO world 759 00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:57,059 but they probably don't want to be the 760 00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,740 first people to talk about it publicly 761 00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,140 at a presidential and vice presidential 762 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,960 level so I think they would prefer 763 00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,520 to use what you were talking about 764 00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,620 earlier in this conversation to sort of 765 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:09,539 leak get it out a little bit at a time 766 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,600 dribs and drabs and so the best thing to 767 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:14,220 do would be to turn it over to arrow and 768 00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:15,120 let them 769 00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,940 start talking to people in a in a honest 770 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:19,679 and effective way 771 00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,440 do you think President Joe Biden is the 772 00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:24,539 guy who's going to give the statement 773 00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,039 one day to say 774 00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:28,799 only if he has to only if he has to I 775 00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,159 don't you know let me put it this way 776 00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:34,679 either of the clintons Bill Clinton or 777 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,260 Hillary Clinton 778 00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,700 Bill Clinton if he could have gotten the 779 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:40,559 information would have put it out 780 00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:43,260 Hillary Clinton felt that she did have 781 00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,419 the information and she wanted to be the 782 00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:47,340 the disclosure president she just didn't 783 00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,140 get elected 784 00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:51,539 um Trump never really took it that 785 00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:53,159 seriously he talked about it a couple of 786 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,039 times but yeah it wasn't a focus of his 787 00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,039 and Obama for example 788 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,559 um is a very interesting case right now 789 00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,640 because 790 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,860 Obama never was comfortable talking 791 00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:07,320 about this while he was President I mean 792 00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:11,340 he made jokes about it he deflected it 793 00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:14,279 he never brought it up he was not into 794 00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:17,700 talking about UAP yeah just no question 795 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,899 whatsoever 796 00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:20,940 but in the last year 797 00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,220 uh starting with his appearance on of 798 00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,799 all people the Jimmy Kimmel show he 799 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,539 basically said what the report said he 800 00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:29,340 goes yep there are things flying around 801 00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:30,779 out there and we don't particularly know 802 00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:33,419 how they work and he confirmed the 803 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,140 reality of anomalous uh aircraft okay 804 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:38,880 and 805 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:42,480 I think it is you know he would have 806 00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:45,720 been of the mental state to be able to 807 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,419 do it Biden I just think Biden is not 808 00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:50,220 going to be the guy that wants to do it 809 00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,539 he will do it if if uh Kraft lands on 810 00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:56,940 the White House lawn to use the cliche 811 00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,220 Biden will go out there and shake their 812 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:02,820 hands you know but if they have hands 813 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,640 um but Biden is not going to be the guy 814 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,980 who's calling his cabinet together and 815 00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,600 saying we got to figure out how to get 816 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279 the truth out about this that's not 817 00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,720 going to be him it's going to be 818 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:14,460 somebody else 819 00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:16,380 before we then look back to look at some 820 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:17,820 of those past presidents and I think 821 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,260 there's an interesting conversation 822 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:21,240 around the clintons the podesta was 823 00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,740 involved in that and going back a little 824 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:24,539 bit further that was the original plan 825 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,980 for this recording before all this 826 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,740 happened I wonder how do you see the 827 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,200 next couple of days and weeks playing 828 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,200 out does this story just fuzzle out or 829 00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:36,000 do you think this is one that catches 830 00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:37,740 fire 831 00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:41,279 I think the St well the story has 832 00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,279 already fizzled out as a as a daily 833 00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:46,799 story uh one of the things I noticed I I 834 00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:49,140 always every morning go you know go on 835 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,320 my computer and I check various news 836 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:54,360 sources you know yeah wide variety I am 837 00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:57,779 not you know I I'll check Fox I'll check 838 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:01,740 CNN I'll check NBC I also checked NPR 839 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,500 National Public Radio here and I noticed 840 00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,200 this is just two days ago they had 21 841 00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:09,360 stories that were listed on their 842 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,940 website of stories that they felt were 843 00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:13,440 important enough in the news to follow 844 00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,539 and not a single one of them had 845 00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,059 anything to do with the shoot Downs okay 846 00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,700 that was just two days ago so I think 847 00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:22,080 the story 848 00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,049 it's acute 849 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:32,700 imminent we have to deal with it now 850 00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,700 status has gone away and it it it's 851 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:38,100 tailing out and there'll still be a lot 852 00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,820 of conversations about what it meant but 853 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:43,559 not all of them are going to make it as 854 00:33:50,769 --> 00:33:47,340 breaking news so I I don't think that 855 00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:50,779 this the story like that is going to 856 00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:53,880 widen I do think though 857 00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:57,299 um that people are talking now before 858 00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,659 things go public in a in a 859 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,279 well I mean let's face it the United 860 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,380 States as the biggest military in the 861 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,720 world and the and more classification of 862 00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,879 more documents and things than anybody 863 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,440 else in history it's a lot of 864 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,540 classification here 865 00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,879 um so before things get announced 866 00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:16,560 publicly they have to be talked about 867 00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,879 privately 868 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,639 so that's why I don't get too upset 869 00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:23,460 about you know I don't think anyone's 870 00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,139 putting the toothpaste back in the tube 871 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,960 uh we're not going back to where we were 872 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:30,000 in the 50s and the 60s we're moving 873 00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,899 forward 874 00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:32,220 I'm 875 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,080 this in classified meetings because I 876 00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:40,020 know they also talk to people and people 877 00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,119 ask them things and when people are 878 00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,119 talking about it privately that's the 879 00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:47,339 first step to where before they can talk 880 00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,339 about it publicly we're making progress 881 00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:52,980 I I don't doubt for a moment that 882 00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:54,839 progress is being made on this I really 883 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,619 don't 884 00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,599 yeah it means to me a little bit of the 885 00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:59,099 Harry Potter and the gallbladder fire 886 00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,599 I've never had a Harry Potter reference 887 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,800 yet here and you know where they've got 888 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,900 they've got it they've got the cop in 889 00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,460 the middle of the Maze and we can see 890 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:07,380 the cup we can see the goal but they've 891 00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,940 put the maze up and the Maze is going to 892 00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:10,260 keep shifting and we have to keep 893 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:11,700 finding our way there we're going to go 894 00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:13,320 back we're going to go sideways and 895 00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,060 we're going to get lost but I think 896 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:16,560 there's the opportunity to still go and 897 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,460 get that that end goal well I do too uh 898 00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,079 I you know listen 899 00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,300 um one of my favorite quotes comes from 900 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,000 the doctor Strangelove movie and uh the 901 00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,220 general played by George C Scott is Buck 902 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,160 turgidson and he's trying to explain to 903 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:34,920 the president how nuclear war is going 904 00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,260 to work and how how being attacked by 905 00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:39,119 the Soviet Union would play out in 906 00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,640 America and he says to the president he 907 00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:43,260 goes I'm not saying we're not going to 908 00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:44,700 get our hair must 909 00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:47,220 and I actually think that's pretty 910 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:49,380 descriptive of what disclosure is going 911 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:50,280 to be 912 00:36:02,329 --> 00:35:59,820 we're gonna get our hair must uh it it 913 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,339 it's going to be disruptive it is the 914 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,200 ultimate disruption I mean people love 915 00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,660 to throw that phrase around oh well I'm 916 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,240 a disrupter baby you're not a disrupter 917 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:12,060 until you tell people there's aliens or 918 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,760 non-humans flying around the earth then 919 00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:17,520 you're disrupting things now uh so 920 00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:18,780 things are going to come apart a little 921 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:20,520 bit before they have the potential of 922 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,020 coming back together but here's the 923 00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:24,720 thing as you and I have talked about 924 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,619 we don't know exactly what the truth is 925 00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:31,380 and the truth may be so 926 00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,859 hard to get your brain around that that 927 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,900 that may explain half of why we haven't 928 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,940 been told the truth over the years in 929 00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,040 other words if you could figure out how 930 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,720 to tell the truth in a way that doesn't 931 00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:44,940 break down the very essence of 932 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,940 government and um and cause people to 933 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:49,140 have 934 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,240 mental breakdowns or not show up for 935 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:53,940 work you might tell them but maybe the 936 00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:58,260 truth is so bizarre and so challenging 937 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:02,400 and maybe it's not it's not a or b or 938 00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,440 even C it's like Z I mean it it may be 939 00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:09,720 just something where 940 00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,579 you know 941 00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,640 somebody who's really in the know might 942 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,740 have a hard time explaining it exactly 943 00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,440 to to you and me you know we we'd be 944 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,599 listening we'd want to understand it but 945 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,220 they might say you know what I'm going 946 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:25,020 to have to get a team of scientist to 947 00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,700 come here to explain it to you because 948 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,740 I'm not doing very well and that's kind 949 00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:30,900 of how I feel it's going to come down 950 00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,180 which is why I'm not the young man I 951 00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:34,800 used to be and I would like to see this 952 00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,280 issue uh resolved in my lifetime but I 953 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,440 don't think and I and I guess now I'm 954 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,020 I've come down to the idea that there 955 00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,240 will be some form of acknowledgment I 956 00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,119 would call it confirmation 957 00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,220 but I don't think in my lifetime I'm 958 00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,980 going to know exactly what the truth is 959 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,180 because 960 00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,180 that will be a developing story and as 961 00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,880 opposed to Chinese balloons uh the 962 00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:03,119 actual disclosure or confirmation of a 963 00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,180 non-human reality is is going to be the 964 00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,119 story that never stops giving I mean if 965 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,640 you're a reporter I mean you know Ross 966 00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:13,020 and I've talked about it we're like well 967 00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:15,060 what happens if they disclose do we shut 968 00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,920 the show down you know and the answer is 969 00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,380 hell no I mean you don't shut the show 970 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,359 down and you're going to be doing shows 971 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,220 you're gonna have to go from weekly to 972 00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,680 daily uh you know when this happens 973 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:28,440 because there's just there's so many 974 00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:31,800 permutations to the story so I just am 975 00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,420 hopeful that we can get past the 976 00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:35,460 confirmation phase and get into the 977 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:38,820 coverage phase sooner than later 978 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,440 excellent nice little round up there and 979 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,940 I'll give a shout out to my friend long 980 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,800 time friend gav who's a massive fan of 981 00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,300 the Doctor Strange Love movie you 982 00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,980 mentioned that so I remember I'm being 983 00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:49,320 obsessed with a DVD back in the day 984 00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,700 um even though that movie came out long 985 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,500 before DVDs 986 00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,900 um listen it's uh Monday 20th of 987 00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,700 February is President's Day in the 988 00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,619 United States do you mean just giving 989 00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,720 the listeners who are listening or the 990 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:02,820 viewers not from the states an idea of 991 00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:04,500 what President's Day is 992 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,099 oh sure you know um I actually don't 993 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:10,260 know when they first started it it may 994 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:12,060 have 995 00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,200 birthday or something that later got 996 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:19,020 turned into President's Day the main 997 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,520 reason we have holidays in the United 998 00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:23,040 States is to give people a day off right 999 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,599 yeah it's not that we're you know people 1000 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,180 are not solemnly huddled and uh you know 1001 00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:30,960 uh their community centers to observe 1002 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,240 and venerate our presidents that's not 1003 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,220 happening people just say oh great it's 1004 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:37,920 President's Day let's go to the mall uh 1005 00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:41,280 we should have some sales so President's 1006 00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,839 Day doesn't mean anything in that regard 1007 00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:44,220 but 1008 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:48,240 think about President's Day in the 1009 00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:52,079 context of the UFO UAP issue though uh 1010 00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,020 as one that um 1011 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,119 where when the truth is actually 1012 00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:59,040 discussed it's going to put the 1013 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,020 president's Center Stage some of them 1014 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,119 will have known more than others 1015 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,740 um some of them might have known nothing 1016 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,900 some of them might have known everything 1017 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:10,079 there was to know and you could probably 1018 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,940 write a book about the presidents at 1019 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:13,800 that point when the when the truth comes 1020 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,000 out because uh clearly no matter whether 1021 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,579 they knew everything or knew nothing the 1022 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:22,560 behavior has been roughly the same which 1023 00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,300 is we're not going to tell anybody about 1024 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:27,240 it at some now you do get 1025 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:27,839 um 1026 00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,700 from time to time people will make the 1027 00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,500 argument they'll they'll say well why 1028 00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:32,880 would the presidents be told anything 1029 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,099 they're just an employee they're there 1030 00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:37,140 as a short timer they're there for eight 1031 00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,619 years Max maybe four years and uh you 1032 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,119 know the people who are managing the 1033 00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,660 secret uh Take the Long View I I don't 1034 00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:47,880 know that I particularly buy that I 1035 00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,280 think a president that wants to know can 1036 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,740 make waves although 1037 00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,540 let's look at the Clinton example 1038 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,760 Clinton got into office Bill Clinton 1039 00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:58,680 1993 1040 00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,040 uh went to his attorney Webster Hubble 1041 00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:05,099 and said uh Webster listen I want you to 1042 00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,079 go find out two things for me 1043 00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:09,420 I want you to find out who killed JFK 1044 00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:11,940 and I want you to tell me what's going 1045 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,820 on with UFOs and basically Hubble went 1046 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,460 out for a couple three months and asked 1047 00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:19,500 around and came back to Clinton and said 1048 00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:22,440 I can't get anything on either of them 1049 00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:26,099 so sometimes presidents don't get told 1050 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,920 let me sidestep that quick or not 1051 00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,140 Sidetrack it even how does Tom Delong 1052 00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,540 manage to get around that then and get 1053 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,460 to the point he did when Clinton 1054 00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:38,880 couldn't well okay Tom Delong is 1055 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,099 deniable right 1056 00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,099 um You can say about Tom Delong what 1057 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:46,859 would he know he's a rock musician he's 1058 00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,599 probably making it all up which by the 1059 00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,300 way uh Ross and I do not believe he's 1060 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,579 making it all up I mean clearly he has 1061 00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,400 had the conversations the these these 1062 00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,500 the Clinton emails that were released 1063 00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,440 actually proved that podesta uh John 1064 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,599 podesta and and Delong had had 1065 00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,820 conversations so 1066 00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,460 but but he's more deniable whereas 1067 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:10,500 Clinton a president I mean if a 1068 00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:11,880 president starts 1069 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,619 let me put it this way 1070 00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:16,560 if Bill Clinton had gone on a show like 1071 00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:19,859 The Joe Rogan show and expounded for two 1072 00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:23,700 hours about aliens and and Ancient 1073 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,520 Aliens and all the things Tom DeLonge 1074 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,500 talks about that would have been a story 1075 00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,599 that would have mesmerized the world and 1076 00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,000 changed the world overnight Tom Delong 1077 00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:35,160 does the same thing and we go that's 1078 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:37,020 interesting uh what you want to get 1079 00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:40,200 breakfast uh it's it's like they're just 1080 00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,940 different things 1081 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,400 um it doesn't mean by the way that 1082 00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:46,140 delong's a liar 1083 00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:48,780 it just means that he wasn't president 1084 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,160 he was a rock star and uh it's and and 1085 00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:56,220 again uh the one thing that Richard 1086 00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,660 Dolan and I always thought well 1087 00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:00,480 researching after disclosure is there's 1088 00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,520 got to be somebody 1089 00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,619 if if you've had a 80-year secret 1090 00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,480 there's got to be some and and you've 1091 00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,940 spent trillions of dollars on it not 1092 00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,680 just doing the research but covering it 1093 00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:12,119 up 1094 00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,940 to go now maybe they keep uh innovating 1095 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,040 on the plan but the plan obviously 1096 00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,680 included something that involved Tom 1097 00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,140 DeLonge and it may have been a trial 1098 00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,420 balloon again not no irony with the 1099 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,940 balloon thing but it it may have simply 1100 00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,760 been okay let's try this thing with the 1101 00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:38,700 long and see if that works and probably 1102 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:41,819 by now uh if you were an Insider you'd 1103 00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:44,880 say it worked as well as we could expect 1104 00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:47,819 it got ttsa out there it got some of 1105 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,560 these people well known and now we're 1106 00:43:54,589 --> 00:43:51,480 moving into a new phase and the people 1107 00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,599 who are pressing for further disclosures 1108 00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:57,000 uh are probably reasonably happy with 1109 00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:58,260 what happened 1110 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,119 what do you think changed from Bill 1111 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:03,420 Clinton to Hillary Clinton that 1112 00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,819 Tom Delong got with the podesta team and 1113 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:07,319 there was going to be a team a that 1114 00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,940 wouldn't have been Loyola zondo Chris 1115 00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,560 Mill and Jim Zimmerman it would have 1116 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:12,240 been a different group we know that now 1117 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,579 but do you have any idea or can you 1118 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,560 speculate on what changed in that time 1119 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,660 that if she had got into the office she 1120 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:20,700 could have been the disclosure president 1121 00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:23,700 uh a couple of things um I think John 1122 00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,359 podesta uh probably knew less when he 1123 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,400 was working with Bill than he did in the 1124 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:31,200 years after because he's had a lifetime 1125 00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,060 interest in this and so he's probably 1126 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:35,640 had talked to a lot of people and I also 1127 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,520 believe the clintons uh I clearly Bill 1128 00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:41,760 realized he'd been snowed by somebody I 1129 00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:43,020 mean he was the president and he 1130 00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,700 couldn't get all the answers that he 1131 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,500 wanted so 1132 00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:48,780 um he and Hillary probably said to 1133 00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,660 themselves there's a this story 1134 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,880 isn't as crazy as you'd think because 1135 00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:55,440 they don't want to talk to you about it 1136 00:45:03,430 --> 00:44:59,760 so they probably did research and uh it 1137 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,440 seems clear that Hillary thought she 1138 00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,180 would be able to wield the levers of 1139 00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,599 power to to get some kind of disclosure 1140 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,119 going that's what I think changed number 1141 00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,200 one 1142 00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:16,020 um that they had internal circumstances 1143 00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,900 that changed but I think externally just 1144 00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,000 take a look Clinton leaves office in 1145 00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:24,720 2001 well just think how The public's 1146 00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:28,800 opinion about UFOs was changing rapidly 1147 00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:31,980 from 2001 through uh when Hillary is 1148 00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,440 running in 2016. those are pretty big 1149 00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,680 years for people to start to say 1150 00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,900 you know something 1151 00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,640 is not quite right 1152 00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:43,859 we all know it we know something's not 1153 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,440 quite right on this issue and like I 1154 00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:49,020 said the the thing that has helped to 1155 00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:50,819 keep the secret over the years has been 1156 00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:52,140 a lot of people that know that 1157 00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:53,579 something's not quite right just still 1158 00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,980 don't want to talk about it right that 1159 00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,440 but then there's people like you Andy 1160 00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,359 and people like me and people like your 1161 00:46:04,569 --> 00:46:02,339 listeners and viewers who do want to 1162 00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:04,579 talk about it and 1163 00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:07,500 we have found each other 1164 00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:10,980 in the years from 2001 through 2016 if 1165 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:12,900 you will through the internet 1166 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,780 and and so I guess my second part of it 1167 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,520 is the first is the clintons got 1168 00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:19,920 interested and and they had podesta's 1169 00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:22,680 now I and the second is the public had 1170 00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,940 the internet 1171 00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,579 in a big way and they could start to 1172 00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,319 talk to each other and people like you 1173 00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:30,720 and me realized oh we're not alone 1174 00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,280 no I don't mean not alone in the 1175 00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:34,680 universe we're not alone on Earth uh 1176 00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,599 being able to find people that want to 1177 00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,079 talk about this with us and um now you 1178 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,420 know there's a hundred or 200 or 300 1179 00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,240 podcasts about talking about this you've 1180 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,460 got one I've got one I mean it's almost 1181 00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,960 like you can't get viewers for your 1182 00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,640 podcast for listeners for your podcast 1183 00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,500 because everyone's doing their own 1184 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,319 podcast I mean that's how 1185 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,839 you know it's it's so ironic this is a 1186 00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:59,760 secret that's not much of a secret 1187 00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,319 yeah 1188 00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,480 as Ross would say it said in plain sight 1189 00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,940 isn't it so yeah obviously he's put his 1190 00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,619 books there I see that thank you I'll 1191 00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,420 tell he'll be very happy to see that by 1192 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,480 the way uh if people are interested to 1193 00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,920 know a little bit more about this need 1194 00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:15,960 to know thing just go to need to know 1195 00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,119 dot today it's as simple as we could 1196 00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:20,240 make it need to know run it all together 1197 00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,099 dot today and that'll take you to a site 1198 00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:25,319 where you can get all that stuff and all 1199 00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:26,819 of those links for need to know will be 1200 00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:28,040 in the description 1201 00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,880 I know it'll take them straight there 1202 00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,500 I'll listen to it and watch it as well I 1203 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,300 prefer listening to it I'm an audio guy 1204 00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,400 I've always said that's interesting good 1205 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,460 good oh I'm a purist a radio guy 1206 00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,839 um I want to know a little bit more 1207 00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,240 though on on Hillary Clinton if she had 1208 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:44,160 beaten Trump as everyone sort of 1209 00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:45,960 expected you know other than Trump 1210 00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,839 supporters and they go in from the UK we 1211 00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:51,119 were pretty shocked when Trump won if it 1212 00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,859 had been you know sliding doors moment 1213 00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:54,480 holiday gets in 1214 00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,020 do you think she gets to to make that 1215 00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:00,359 discovery that announcement or do you 1216 00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:02,520 think it gets obfuscated and hidden away 1217 00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,660 and 1218 00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:06,480 can you see it really playing out I can 1219 00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:09,780 uh I could also see her being killed 1220 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,540 you know really well I mean 1221 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:15,480 yeah I mean if it depends on how the 1222 00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:18,300 people that are curating the secret 1223 00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,099 you know what how desperate they think 1224 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,980 it is to keep it not out there uh 1225 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,000 anything could have happened it's 1226 00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,180 interesting I've uh outside of my UFO 1227 00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,400 stuff I've written a couple of uh what 1228 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,720 if books 1229 00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:33,119 um yeah that have both won uh the 1230 00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,160 sidewise award for alternate history one 1231 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:38,220 of them was about what if JFK survived 1232 00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,660 Dallas and the other was what if the 1233 00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:41,160 Beatles stayed together so they weren't 1234 00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:44,940 necessarily UFO uh books although both 1235 00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,599 have a UFO connection JFK supposedly did 1236 00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,760 know something about UFOs and was 1237 00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:52,859 interested and certainly The Beatles had 1238 00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,339 John Lennon's UFO sighting back in 1974 1239 00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,859 but my point is 1240 00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,020 what I was looking for in those books 1241 00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:02,880 was a great what if one where you could 1242 00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:05,099 see wow history would really cleave in a 1243 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,780 different direction well think about 1244 00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,339 that with Hillary Clinton I could write 1245 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,380 a great third book on that if I had the 1246 00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:12,780 time where it'd be Hillary Clinton gets 1247 00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:14,579 in instead of trump 1248 00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,640 what happens to the UFO issue I think 1249 00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,740 that it would have been her intent it 1250 00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:21,900 seems clear now it would have been her 1251 00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,520 intent to uh Usher in uh an era of 1252 00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:29,520 some extra transparency on the issue I 1253 00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:31,319 don't know that she would have um I 1254 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,760 doubt that she would have given every 1255 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,280 reporter in the nation a hard drive with 1256 00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,859 terabytes of photos or anything but I 1257 00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,440 think she might have acknowledged 1258 00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:42,480 um there are things in the sky we don't 1259 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,780 know what they are I'm looking into it 1260 00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,640 um that the government's going to look 1261 00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:49,680 into it and we're all in this together 1262 00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,740 she might have said something like that 1263 00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:55,680 um but I don't know uh 1264 00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:57,900 clearly that was her intent though I do 1265 00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:00,300 think that's her intent and and and we 1266 00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:02,819 both know Steve bass at the political 1267 00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,819 activist on the UFO issue he certainly 1268 00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:07,440 thinks that's 1269 00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,780 the absolute truth 1270 00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:12,000 you mentioned uh previous presidents 1271 00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,800 obviously the bushes both were in 1272 00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,420 administration one that a listeners had 1273 00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:16,800 sent me over a question I want to try 1274 00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,819 and ask 1275 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,800 um Bryce you've previously recounted 1276 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,020 this is from Dave Smithers um that 1277 00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:23,760 senior politician who was in the bush 1278 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,859 cabinet told you when you were younger 1279 00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:27,960 that the truth about UFOs and others was 1280 00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,900 existentially shocking do you often 1281 00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:32,760 think about what he meant by that and 1282 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,859 does that still worry you well I tell 1283 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:36,900 you it certainly 1284 00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,380 I to do justice to that story 1285 00:50:46,089 --> 00:50:42,480 would hijack the rest of our time 1286 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,099 together so I I give you a very short 1287 00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,960 version of it and and I guess we kind of 1288 00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:50,280 move on 1289 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,720 um prior to 1290 00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,559 um 1291 00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:54,900 creating Dark Skies I met with my 1292 00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,780 partner Brent Friedman and I didn't know 1293 00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,280 him at the time and he told me a story 1294 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,619 about when he was an 18 year old and he 1295 00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:04,260 had been hired to drive a car across the 1296 00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,359 United States to deliver it to someone 1297 00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,359 who is in Reagan's cabinet who lived in 1298 00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:11,339 the neighborhood he was at and was a 1299 00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,339 family friend and that this person 1300 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,460 um was the under Secretary of the Navy 1301 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,680 in the first term in Secretary of Energy 1302 00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:21,780 in the second term and that he told 1303 00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:23,819 Brent some harrowing things which I'm 1304 00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,140 just not going to get into right now 1305 00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:27,480 it's too long of a story but suffice it 1306 00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,680 to say this person felt that his very 1307 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:33,780 basis of reality had been challenged 1308 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,119 that he had been briefed and the 1309 00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:38,160 briefing wasn't so good and I'll just 1310 00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,920 I'll just give you the one quote 1311 00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,839 um he said he cried himself to sleep 1312 00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,579 every night during the briefing period 1313 00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:46,859 which apparently was six to eight weeks 1314 00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,859 and uh Brett asked him why and he said 1315 00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,140 because I have I have daughters and this 1316 00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,240 is the world they're going to live in 1317 00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:58,160 and that is kind of existentially 1318 00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:02,160 disquieting right so I you know I 1319 00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,740 actually believe that story to be true I 1320 00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,599 mean I've looked into it and and I know 1321 00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,040 Brent's 1322 00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,559 um truthfulness so I think there is a 1323 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,240 darker side to this it doesn't mean 1324 00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,920 there isn't a lighter side I have not 1325 00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:16,619 heard uh the lighter side in the same 1326 00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:18,900 kind of graphic relief that I I heard 1327 00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,760 about the darker side 1328 00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,960 um I don't know if that what the 1329 00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,579 question was 1330 00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,470 where am I going with this just yeah 1331 00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:29,220 what what do you think you meant and 1332 00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,300 does it what are you which I think 1333 00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,220 you've answered within that yeah I I I 1334 00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,740 just think that this person and by the 1335 00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:36,240 way Ross and I are looking into this 1336 00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,099 story so you'll hear more about it in 1337 00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:39,839 the future and also I'm writing a book 1338 00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,819 right now uh where I'm going to try to 1339 00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:43,020 lay out the whole thing because I just 1340 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:44,579 think it's part of the historical record 1341 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,680 now when we were doing Dark Skies I 1342 00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:48,300 didn't think of it that way I thought 1343 00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:50,040 well that's a great story now let's go 1344 00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,140 do a TV series 1345 00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,200 um but now that I'm thinking of this in 1346 00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,599 an equally journalistic way 1347 00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,160 I think it's an important part of 1348 00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:00,720 history that should be preserved in fact 1349 00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:03,900 I urge everyone who's ever seen anything 1350 00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,839 or heard anything uh you know this is 1351 00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,000 the time to write it down this is the 1352 00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:11,880 time to to make sure that the the 1353 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:14,819 historical record for future historians 1354 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,640 to to find needs to be as clear as 1355 00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:19,740 possible so if you've got a story that 1356 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,960 never got told or even if you it was 1357 00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,720 told write it down in as much 1358 00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,819 specificity as possible and share it 1359 00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:28,319 because 1360 00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:29,220 um 1361 00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,020 because we obviously know there's a 1362 00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,359 phenomenon and we need to get our our 1363 00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:35,160 arms around it and figure out what it 1364 00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:36,540 means to us 1365 00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,579 on your latest episode Bryce yourself 1366 00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,040 and Ross have said that uh this is the 1367 00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,140 time that listeners and viewers to 1368 00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,480 podcasts and shows like these need to 1369 00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:47,700 Rattle the cages of Representatives and 1370 00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,079 for me I would say regardless of 1371 00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,880 whatever country you're in because the 1372 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,920 subject is being put under the spotlight 1373 00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:54,720 right now whether that's under the 1374 00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,420 auspices of spy technology balloons or 1375 00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:59,520 whatever that may entail I think this is 1376 00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,780 the chance now isn't it to take 1377 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,579 advantage and make sure your voice is 1378 00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:04,020 heard how do you think people should 1379 00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,980 best do that well I listen I 1380 00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:10,380 I literally one time came up with 20 1381 00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,420 things I thought people should do to try 1382 00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:14,880 to increase the chance of disclosure and 1383 00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,460 they were really granular they included 1384 00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,740 when you find a great UFO book buy three 1385 00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,660 copies of it and give to them away to 1386 00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:24,119 your friends and uh tell them to read 1387 00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:25,260 them and when they're done reading them 1388 00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:26,579 tell them to give them to friends 1389 00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:29,339 because we they know that it needs to 1390 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,180 get out there but um I 1391 00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:35,880 I you know listen it never hurts to 1392 00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,280 consult with your representatives and 1393 00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,839 tell them that you want more openness 1394 00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:42,119 I'm I'm in favor of that 1395 00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,700 um and and people should do that I do 1396 00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:46,319 think though you raise a larger question 1397 00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,559 which is something we should Clearly say 1398 00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,780 on your podcast and that Ross and I say 1399 00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:53,339 all the time he's from Australia I'm 1400 00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,180 from the U.S this is not a United States 1401 00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:59,940 only issue it is not a United States 1402 00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:02,760 only problem it's a global issue and a 1403 00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:05,400 global problem and 1404 00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,460 when we talk about disclosure it doesn't 1405 00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:10,680 have to come from the United States I've 1406 00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:12,839 actually heard that there are several 1407 00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:16,020 countries that are have been waiting for 1408 00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:18,420 the United States to make its move and 1409 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:19,559 if it doesn't they're going to make 1410 00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,800 their move and uh we could end up in a 1411 00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:24,780 disclosure race I mean let's imagine you 1412 00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,059 were talking about Joe Biden let's 1413 00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:29,520 imagine that Joe Biden is getting his 1414 00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,300 presidential daily briefing and his 1415 00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,780 advisors say it looks like the UK is 1416 00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,579 going to own up to this and they're 1417 00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:40,880 going to release photos and or whatever 1418 00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,800 you know whatever I'm not saying I've 1419 00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:45,599 heard that about the UK I'm just saying 1420 00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,540 as an example uh wouldn't the president 1421 00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,760 of the United States well he'd probably 1422 00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:52,920 first get on the phone and and ask the 1423 00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:54,780 Prime Minister are you crazy why are you 1424 00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,520 doing this but if you found out that 1425 00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:58,319 they were going to do it anyway the 1426 00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,359 United States would have an interest in 1427 00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,579 not being scooped on their own story 1428 00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:04,140 there I mean if they've got crash 1429 00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,180 wreckage and and and have been looking 1430 00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:07,680 into it that would be the time to come 1431 00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:09,540 clean about it so there's a lot of 1432 00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,140 levers and triggers for uh for things to 1433 00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:15,180 be changed and the one thing that I 1434 00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,059 think we can all agree on is the 1435 00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:21,059 possibility of surprise not one of us 1436 00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,740 two weeks ago thought there were going 1437 00:56:30,049 --> 00:56:25,680 to be four UAP shot down in a week 1438 00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:30,059 nobody right and it just happened so it 1439 00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,260 could have something else could happen 1440 00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:32,880 and in fact that podcast that I'm 1441 00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:35,579 working on the the scripted one is 1442 00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:37,319 literally about that you know you just 1443 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,180 you're cruising along and then something 1444 00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:42,240 happens in the news that opens up the 1445 00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,980 curtains and says there's a whole world 1446 00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,839 you weren't even seeing out there it's 1447 00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:48,240 like the Matrix if you will 1448 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:49,980 well Bryce to wrap up because you've 1449 00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:51,720 been great with your time and I do need 1450 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:53,160 to hold you to get you back on at some 1451 00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:54,780 point because I have three pages of 1452 00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:56,839 listener questions 1453 00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:00,059 I thank you I'll drink to my a w with 1454 00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:01,800 you yeah hopefully there's a few of them 1455 00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:03,000 answered within the body of the 1456 00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,800 interview about uh Bryce just to recap 1457 00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,960 how can people find you and also how can 1458 00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:08,280 they find your what 1459 00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:10,140 yeah okay listen 1460 00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:11,819 I think we're all encouraging that 1461 00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,000 dialogue so yes we are again uh for the 1462 00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:17,280 need to know podcast need to know dot 1463 00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:20,220 today no problem uh Ross and I 1464 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,540 maintained a fairly active Twitter 1465 00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,520 presence not everybody's on there these 1466 00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:26,160 days but uh I have two Twitter accounts 1467 00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,000 one is at Bryce zable 1468 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:31,200 b-r-y-c-e-z-a-b-e-l the other is at 1469 00:57:34,609 --> 00:57:33,000 Hollywood UFOs 1470 00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:34,619 um because they're a little different 1471 00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:37,500 Ross is at Ross Colt art uh on Twitter 1472 00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,800 and um you know when you go to our site 1473 00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:42,599 there's even a place where you can write 1474 00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,819 us so you know people can write us when 1475 00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,559 they want we don't get to answer 1476 00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,960 everything because literally that's I 1477 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:50,640 just have to tell you this because I 1478 00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,540 think it's so revealing of what we're 1479 00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:56,520 dealing with here Ross and I did that 1480 00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,680 first live show uh yesterday that you 1481 00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:00,180 were kind enough to listen to and thank 1482 00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:02,460 you so much and when we were done with 1483 00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,420 it 1484 00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:06,180 in the next hour Ross received 700 1485 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:07,800 emails 1486 00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:10,200 now how is he supposed to deal with that 1487 00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:12,780 he's one person you know you know you've 1488 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:14,220 been caught in an email thread that 1489 00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,220 generates 20 emails right yeah it's very 1490 00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,440 hard but what it tells me is that people 1491 00:58:24,049 --> 00:58:22,079 are hungry for this dialogue and what 1492 00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:24,059 you and I are doing is the is the right 1493 00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:26,099 thing right now and what your listeners 1494 00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:27,780 are doing is the right thing so I would 1495 00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:30,900 say to them get in contact 1496 00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,660 um and I I guess one horse that I ride 1497 00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:35,760 on this issue is don't just listen to 1498 00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,520 your fine podcast or our fine podcast or 1499 00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:41,040 or anyone else's you know when we talk 1500 00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:43,319 about say the government report that got 1501 00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,720 put out uh the preliminary report you 1502 00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:47,040 don't have to just take our word for it 1503 00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,500 it's it's on the internet read it you 1504 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,960 know start reading uh The more I've 1505 00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:54,180 learned the more critical I am of the 1506 00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,260 reporting 1507 00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,059 I think that's why Ross and I are doing 1508 00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:58,799 what we're doing because we just weren't 1509 00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,160 saying that anybody else was doing it 1510 00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:03,660 well Bryce I'll leave you with this and 1511 00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:05,160 I'll say thank you because uh whenever 1512 00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,079 I've hosted your colleague Ross Coulter 1513 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:09,119 I have to tick the explicit content 1514 00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:12,420 button on Apple podcasts and yeah and 1515 00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,040 I've not had to do that by yourself so 1516 00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:15,839 uh thanks very much for your time and I 1517 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,339 look forward to having you back on I 1518 00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,680 thank you so much and and to all your uh 1519 00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:21,839 your listeners thanks again and uh keep 1520 00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:24,359 up the good fight that is all for this 1521 00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:26,040 week's show thank you very much for 1522 00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:28,020 listening please remember to leave the 1523 00:59:33,650 --> 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